Screening versus reading: reading on paper versus reading online
Notice that I called my blog, see link,
"The End of the Printed Page, Newspapers, Books and Critical Thinking: Welcome to Screening" Which Replaces "Reading" as a Verb"
REASON: i feel that with the growth of online reading, replacing paper surface reading in the future, we will maybe witness the END of the printed page, newspapers and CRITICAL ANALYSIS AND CRITICAL THINKING, for better or worse.....
MAYBE?
http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14107&PN=1&TPN=1
I am curious to know if any other people here share my concerns about the need for a new word in English, and other languages, too, for READING ONLINE, to differentiate this activity from reading on paper, which is a very different animal.
See two blogs I am on here: one in China, the other in USA:
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AND in other languages, how does one different reading text on paper surface to reading text on a screen online? Do tell.
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It's not at all a different animal - I do them interchangeably.
The difference in types of content (short news articles vs novels vs textbooks ...) is much more substantial, but can already be adequately expressed without new words.
Edit: please don't duplicate-post or promote your blogs in your first posts.
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I agree with Volte it is very much the same thing and if you want them to differ why can't you just say "online
reading" as opposed to "normal reading".
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I do believe that, as they are commonly practiced, they are different activities which involve separate and distinct states of mind. And quite frankly, I pity a new generation that may miss out on genuine reading.
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JUAnM above said: "I do believe that, as they are commonly practiced, they are different activities which involve separate and distinct states of mind. And quite frankly, I pity a new generation that may miss out on genuine reading. "
I do believe that, as they are commonly practiced, they are different activities which involve separate and distinct states of mind. And quite frankly, I pity a new generation that may miss out on genuine reading.
Well said, JuanM. I agree. that is what i am driving at: we use different mental facutlies and diffrent parts of brain when we read online and when we read on paper. Both are reading, yes, but they are different kinds of "reading" AND that is why i feel we need a new word, like screening, but who knows what it will be. common usage will decide later. most people disagree with me and JuanM, but a few do. One is Dr Anne MGNANE IN nOWAR WHO SAIDS"
Hi,
my first impression is that the term "screening" is adequate in some
respects, but not in others. It's adequate to the extent that it
points to certain differences in the reading mode which has to do with
the display nature, the central bias of a screen compared to a page of
print text (our gaze is naturally oriented towards the center), and
the image-like character of modalities (we tend to read a screen
spatially, in contrast to the page which we linearly). It is not
adequate insofar as it does not discriminate between different kinds
of screening - we can also screen a print text (scan, filter, skim
etc.), and we perceive different kinds of screens differently (compare
the TV with the cell phone, the e-book with the laptop).
Regards,
Anne Mangen
Dr. art., førsteamanuensis Ph. D., associate professor
National Centre for Reading Research and Education Universitetet i
Stavanger University of Stavanger
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vOLTE TRGILOT SAID: "It's not at all a different animal - I do them interchangeably.
The difference in types of content (short news articles vs novels vs textbooks ...) is much more substantial, but can already be adequately expressed without new words. "
i was NOT CLEAR.....VOLTE, WE DO THEM INTERCHANgably yes, but this is not about content, short or textbooks, this is about how our brains process the info we get when we read on paper and when we read on screens,,,,it is VERY DIffrent, see dr anne above from norway, she is leading the charge on this
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I agree with Volte it is very much the same thing and if you want them to differ why can't you just say "online
reading" as opposed to "normal reading".
Yes yes , saying ONLINE READING is okay, too. I agree. But in time, we will need a new word; it won't be SCREENING....but what other words or terms can you think of?
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Hi,
my first impression is that the term *****"screening" is adequate in some
respects, but *****not in others. It's adequate to the extent that it
points to certain differences in the reading mode which has to do with
the display nature, the central *****bias of a screen compared to a page of
print text (our gaze is *****naturally oriented towards the center), and
the image-like character of modalities (we ******tend to read a screen
spatially, in *****contrast to the page which we linearly). It is not
adequate insofar as it does not discriminate between different kinds
of screening - we can also screen a print text (scan, filter, skim
etc.), and we perceive different kinds of screens differently (compare
the TV with the cell phone, the e-book with the laptop).
Regards,
Anne Mangen
Dr. art., førsteamanuensis Ph. D., associate professor
National Centre for Reading Research and Education Universitetet i
Stavanger University of Stavanger screening
JuanM also told me in a PM reply, and it's a good thought too. I agree: DANNY
"I think the distinction lies in the state of mind involved. Reading from a book propitiates an active and thoughtful relation with the text, while on the Internet one more often engages in skimming and extracting information, rather than reflecting and assimilating."
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state of mind involved.
an active and thoughtful relation with the text,
on the Internet one more often engages in skimming and extracting information
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I still don't see what the difference is between reading on paper and reading online.
When I read information on paper, I think I skim a lot. And when I read fiction online, I focus more.
You'll have to explain more what you mean by different "states of mind involved" means.
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Yukamina wrote:
I still don't see what the difference is between reading on paper and reading online.
When I read information on paper, I think I skim a lot. And when I read fiction online, I focus more.
You'll have to explain more what you mean by different "states of mind involved" means.
Simply put, I think it's a meaningless distinction, and not one that merits a new word. Like you, I'm perfectly comfortable skimming paper documents - and I've read too many academic papers and novels (including behemoths like "The Pickwick Papers") online to take any idea of it somehow fundamentally being less 'concentrated' seriously.
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Volte wrote:
Yukamina wrote:
I still don't see what the difference is between reading on paper and reading online.
When I read information on paper, I think I skim a lot. And when I read fiction online, I focus more.
You'll have to explain more what you mean by different "states of mind involved" means.
Simply put, I think it's a meaningless distinction, and not one that merits a new word. Like you, I'm perfectly comfortable skimming paper documents - and I've read too many academic papers and novels (including behemoths like "The Pickwick Papers") online to take any idea of it somehow fundamentally being less 'concentrated' seriously.
Well, like I said earlier, I am not married to any new word or term for reading online, versus reading on paper surface of a book or newspaper or magazine, BUT....it does seem to me that this topic deserves a good, robust discussion pro and con, pro or con, just as food for thought. I coined the word "screening" to mean "reading online on a screen" to differentiate this mental exercise from reading text on a paper surface, and many many top experts in the reading/education/tech fields agree with me, that the two phenoms are vastly different. Ask Dr Mangnen in Norway, she has a good take on all this. Ask around, ask your colleagues.
Again, all I am looking for here and on my bloog (that's a Bloom Blog, smile) -- google the term "Reading on paper versus reading online" to see mamy experts around the world discussing this, mostly at my instigation, I admit, sheepishly, but I am not married to this idea. In fact, I might get divorced from it soon. SMILE. However, at the moment, I think this is a good discussion and worth having.
Yes, reading is reading. Of course. But what we remember and what we take in are very different, IMHO, in these two cases, reading on paper and reading online. I think JuanM said it very well, above, in his PM to me yesterday. And Dr M in Norway has a very good academic paper on this.
The question is: do we need a new word, and what could/should/might that word be?
Of course, who knows which word will eventually STICK? Nobody knows. I doubt screening will last long. It's just a word to get this discussion going.
Others have suggested: browing, skimming, perusing......
What words pop into your mind, and HUMOR is okay here too. But keep it serious at the same time. I am serious about all this, and I have asked the top reporters at the New York Times, David Pogue and John Markoff, to get track on this chat here, and also James Fallows at the Atlantic Monthly and Jason Pontin at Technology Review at MIT. They do not agree with me, but they are watching this discussion online unfold.
More comments, please.
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Volte wrote:
Simply put, I think it's a meaningless distinction, and not one that merits a new word. Like you, I'm perfectly comfortable skimming paper documents - and I've read too many academic papers and novels (including behemoths like "The Pickwick Papers") online to take any idea of it somehow fundamentally being less 'concentrated' seriously.
YES....BUT.....JuanM above said:
"I think the distinction lies in the state of mind involved. Reading from a book propitiates [an active and thoughtful relation with the text], while on the Internet one more often [engages in skimming and extracting information], rather than reflecting and assimilating."
Isn't he correct? That is my experience, too. But maybe other people have other experiences, sure. Please explain more. I am all ears.
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Volte, you wrote: "Simply put, I think it's a meaningless distinction, and not one that merits a new word."
Maybe it is a meaningless distinction, yes. Maybe it is a meaningful distinction. I am of two minds on this. Does it merit a new word? Maybe yes, maybe no. But let's discuss the idea and see where it takes us. I believe a major news story in the New York Times is developing on this as we speak, as the reporter in question may very well want to interview some of us here for quotes. Are you willing to give a quote on this topic, pro or con, or in the middle sitting on the fence, with your name and country noted in the newspaper?
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Notice that I called my blog, see link,
"The End of the Printed Page, Newspapers, Books and Critical Thinking: Welcome to Screening" Which Replaces "Reading" as a Verb"
REASON: i feel that with the growth of online reading, replacing paper surface reading in the future, we will maybe witness the END of the printed page, newspapers and CRITICAL ANALYSIS AND CRITICAL THINKING, for better or worse.....
MAYBE?
"The End of the Printed Page, Newspapers, Books and Critical Thinking: Welcome to Screening" Which Replaces "Reading" as a Verb"
REASON: i feel that with the growth of online reading, replacing paper surface reading in the future, we will maybe witness the END of the printed page, newspapers and CRITICAL ANALYSIS AND CRITICAL THINKING, for better or worse.....
MAYBE?
http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14107&PN=1&TPN=1
I am curious to know if any other people here share my concerns about the need for a new word in English, and other languages, too, for READING ONLINE, to differentiate this activity from reading on paper, which is a very different animal.
See two blogs I am on here: one in China, the other in USA:
edit
AND in other languages, how does one different reading text on paper surface to reading text on a screen online? Do tell.
Email me offline for any followups too.
danbloom AT gmail DOT com
Edited by danbloom on 06 April 2009 at 6:28am
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It's not at all a different animal - I do them interchangeably.
The difference in types of content (short news articles vs novels vs textbooks ...) is much more substantial, but can already be adequately expressed without new words.
Edit: please don't duplicate-post or promote your blogs in your first posts.
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I agree with Volte it is very much the same thing and if you want them to differ why can't you just say "online
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I do believe that, as they are commonly practiced, they are different activities which involve separate and distinct states of mind. And quite frankly, I pity a new generation that may miss out on genuine reading.
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JUAnM above said: "I do believe that, as they are commonly practiced, they are different activities which involve separate and distinct states of mind. And quite frankly, I pity a new generation that may miss out on genuine reading. "
I do believe that, as they are commonly practiced, they are different activities which involve separate and distinct states of mind. And quite frankly, I pity a new generation that may miss out on genuine reading.
Well said, JuanM. I agree. that is what i am driving at: we use different mental facutlies and diffrent parts of brain when we read online and when we read on paper. Both are reading, yes, but they are different kinds of "reading" AND that is why i feel we need a new word, like screening, but who knows what it will be. common usage will decide later. most people disagree with me and JuanM, but a few do. One is Dr Anne MGNANE IN nOWAR WHO SAIDS"
Hi,
my first impression is that the term "screening" is adequate in some
respects, but not in others. It's adequate to the extent that it
points to certain differences in the reading mode which has to do with
the display nature, the central bias of a screen compared to a page of
print text (our gaze is naturally oriented towards the center), and
the image-like character of modalities (we tend to read a screen
spatially, in contrast to the page which we linearly). It is not
adequate insofar as it does not discriminate between different kinds
of screening - we can also screen a print text (scan, filter, skim
etc.), and we perceive different kinds of screens differently (compare
the TV with the cell phone, the e-book with the laptop).
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vOLTE TRGILOT SAID: "It's not at all a different animal - I do them interchangeably.
The difference in types of content (short news articles vs novels vs textbooks ...) is much more substantial, but can already be adequately expressed without new words. "
i was NOT CLEAR.....VOLTE, WE DO THEM INTERCHANgably yes, but this is not about content, short or textbooks, this is about how our brains process the info we get when we read on paper and when we read on screens,,,,it is VERY DIffrent, see dr anne above from norway, she is leading the charge on this
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eoinda wrote:
I agree with Volte it is very much the same thing and if you want them to differ why can't you just say "online
reading" as opposed to "normal reading".
Yes yes , saying ONLINE READING is okay, too. I agree. But in time, we will need a new word; it won't be SCREENING....but what other words or terms can you think of?
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Hi,
my first impression is that the term *****"screening" is adequate in some
respects, but *****not in others. It's adequate to the extent that it
points to certain differences in the reading mode which has to do with
the display nature, the central *****bias of a screen compared to a page of
print text (our gaze is *****naturally oriented towards the center), and
the image-like character of modalities (we ******tend to read a screen
spatially, in *****contrast to the page which we linearly). It is not
adequate insofar as it does not discriminate between different kinds
of screening - we can also screen a print text (scan, filter, skim
etc.), and we perceive different kinds of screens differently (compare
the TV with the cell phone, the e-book with the laptop).
Regards,
Anne Mangen
Dr. art., førsteamanuensis Ph. D., associate professor
National Centre for Reading Research and Education Universitetet i
Stavanger University of Stavanger screening
JuanM also told me in a PM reply, and it's a good thought too. I agree: DANNY
"I think the distinction lies in the state of mind involved. Reading from a book propitiates an active and thoughtful relation with the text, while on the Internet one more often engages in skimming and extracting information, rather than reflecting and assimilating."
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state of mind involved.
an active and thoughtful relation with the text,
on the Internet one more often engages in skimming and extracting information
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I still don't see what the difference is between reading on paper and reading online.
When I read information on paper, I think I skim a lot. And when I read fiction online, I focus more.
You'll have to explain more what you mean by different "states of mind involved" means.
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Yukamina wrote:
I still don't see what the difference is between reading on paper and reading online.
When I read information on paper, I think I skim a lot. And when I read fiction online, I focus more.
You'll have to explain more what you mean by different "states of mind involved" means.
Simply put, I think it's a meaningless distinction, and not one that merits a new word. Like you, I'm perfectly comfortable skimming paper documents - and I've read too many academic papers and novels (including behemoths like "The Pickwick Papers") online to take any idea of it somehow fundamentally being less 'concentrated' seriously.
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Volte wrote:
Yukamina wrote:
I still don't see what the difference is between reading on paper and reading online.
When I read information on paper, I think I skim a lot. And when I read fiction online, I focus more.
You'll have to explain more what you mean by different "states of mind involved" means.
Simply put, I think it's a meaningless distinction, and not one that merits a new word. Like you, I'm perfectly comfortable skimming paper documents - and I've read too many academic papers and novels (including behemoths like "The Pickwick Papers") online to take any idea of it somehow fundamentally being less 'concentrated' seriously.
Well, like I said earlier, I am not married to any new word or term for reading online, versus reading on paper surface of a book or newspaper or magazine, BUT....it does seem to me that this topic deserves a good, robust discussion pro and con, pro or con, just as food for thought. I coined the word "screening" to mean "reading online on a screen" to differentiate this mental exercise from reading text on a paper surface, and many many top experts in the reading/education/tech fields agree with me, that the two phenoms are vastly different. Ask Dr Mangnen in Norway, she has a good take on all this. Ask around, ask your colleagues.
Again, all I am looking for here and on my bloog (that's a Bloom Blog, smile) -- google the term "Reading on paper versus reading online" to see mamy experts around the world discussing this, mostly at my instigation, I admit, sheepishly, but I am not married to this idea. In fact, I might get divorced from it soon. SMILE. However, at the moment, I think this is a good discussion and worth having.
Yes, reading is reading. Of course. But what we remember and what we take in are very different, IMHO, in these two cases, reading on paper and reading online. I think JuanM said it very well, above, in his PM to me yesterday. And Dr M in Norway has a very good academic paper on this.
The question is: do we need a new word, and what could/should/might that word be?
Of course, who knows which word will eventually STICK? Nobody knows. I doubt screening will last long. It's just a word to get this discussion going.
Others have suggested: browing, skimming, perusing......
What words pop into your mind, and HUMOR is okay here too. But keep it serious at the same time. I am serious about all this, and I have asked the top reporters at the New York Times, David Pogue and John Markoff, to get track on this chat here, and also James Fallows at the Atlantic Monthly and Jason Pontin at Technology Review at MIT. They do not agree with me, but they are watching this discussion online unfold.
More comments, please.
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Volte wrote:
Simply put, I think it's a meaningless distinction, and not one that merits a new word. Like you, I'm perfectly comfortable skimming paper documents - and I've read too many academic papers and novels (including behemoths like "The Pickwick Papers") online to take any idea of it somehow fundamentally being less 'concentrated' seriously.
YES....BUT.....JuanM above said:
"I think the distinction lies in the state of mind involved. Reading from a book propitiates [an active and thoughtful relation with the text], while on the Internet one more often [engages in skimming and extracting information], rather than reflecting and assimilating."
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Volte, you wrote: "Simply put, I think it's a meaningless distinction, and not one that merits a new word."
Maybe it is a meaningless distinction, yes. Maybe it is a meaningful distinction. I am of two minds on this. Does it merit a new word? Maybe yes, maybe no. But let's discuss the idea and see where it takes us. I believe a major news story in the New York Times is developing on this as we speak, as the reporter in question may very well want to interview some of us here for quotes. Are you willing to give a quote on this topic, pro or con, or in the middle sitting on the fence, with your name and country noted in the newspaper?
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Notice that I called my blog, see link,
"The End of the Printed Page, Newspapers, Books and Critical Thinking: Welcome to Screening" Which Replaces "Reading" as a Verb"
REASON: i feel that with the growth of online reading, replacing paper surface reading in the future, we will maybe witness the END of the printed page, newspapers and CRITICAL ANALYSIS AND CRITICAL THINKING, for better or worse.....
MAYBE?
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