‘Nerd’ and ‘Geek’ Should Be Banned, Professor Says
‘Nerd’ and ‘Geek’ Should Be Banned, Professor Says
By STEVE LOHR in the pages of the New York Times snailpaper .....STEVE: maybe next time you can interview Dan Bloom in Taiwan about why he thinks we need a new word for reading on screens versus "reading" on paper surfaces and why he thinks that word might be SCREENING?
The New York Times ran an article Monday suggesting that what America will need in the future are more “cool nerds.” A playful tweak of the nerd stereotype, to be sure, in an effort to alter it. The people described in the piece were ones with hybrid careers, combining computing with other fields from medicine to Hollywood.
These are jobs that do not match the classic computer geek or nerd image — a heads-down programmer who is socially isolated. In the new hybrid careers, computing is a crucial ingredient and, economists say, such work will be the source of many new jobs of the future.
But David Anderegg, a professor of psychology at Bennington College, says that merely mentioning terms like nerd or geek serves to perpetuate the stereotype. The words are damaging, much like racial epithets, he says, and should be avoided.
Yet the meaning of words often evolves as the social context changes. I noted that in Manhattan’s elite high schools being called a “cool nerd” is a compliment — denoting someone with intellectual and academic chops, un-self-consciously so, and other interests as well.
Perhaps that’s true in a handful of ZIP codes around the country, Dr. Anderegg conceded. But in most of America, he said, nerds and geeks are people to avoid. The connotations are a bit different: a geek suggests a person with special expertise, while nerd suggests social ineptness. And neither are cool.
And math, science and computer science, Dr. Anderegg said, are courses that young people too often associate with nerds and geeks. As a result, he added, “they sabotage themselves in these fields, and the nation’s work force is suffering.”
“The best way to combat this,” he said, “is put it to bed,” banishing “nerd” and “geek” to the linguistic dustbin.
Not easily done, though, as Dr. Anderegg doubtless appreciates. He is an expert on the subject, and the reason I called him for the piece was that I had noticed the praise for his book, “Nerds: Who They Are and Why We Need More of Them.”
14,473 Readers' Comments !
1 .
I've thought this for a long time. I don't know if I'd go so far as to compare them to racial epithets, but I'm convinced that the "nerd" and "geek" stereotypes are a factor in repelling women, and possibly other under represented groups, from studying math and science.
2.
I use the term geek to describe myself. And I am sure I'm not the only one. Part of the reason for this is recognising what I am and taking more pride in it. It's one of the strategies adopted by other communities, taking pejorative terms and converting them into sources of pride.
The reason I prefer this approach is simple: the sort of behaviour that gets someone labelled as a geek is not something to be ashamed of.
Recommend Recommended by 12 Readers 3 . penfield
California
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amMy, the newscycle is slow right now.
I'm disappointed in Bits Blog for caving in to such obvious opportunism and hypocrisy. Another professor trying to make a name for himself in the NYT.
Recommend Recommended by 3 Readers 4 . Swamps
Portland, OR
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amBeing a geek is way cool. Anyone who is way into anything is called a Geek. You can have computer geeks. Physics geeks. Shakespeare geeks. Climate geeks. Whatever... It just shows you have a passion and love for a particular interest. If anything, we need so many more geeks in this world. Go geeks!!
Recommend Recommended by 17 Readers 5 . Robert Benz
Las Vegas
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amDavid Anderegg has it all wrong. What should be avoided altogether are opinions of hypersensitive shrinks who conjure up issues where there are none.
Recommend Recommended by 12 Readers 6 . ahdavidson
Seattle, WA, USA
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amYou can't change kids' culture by legislating away words. You have to make it cool to be a geek, to be smart, to be a tech wizard.
In my opinion, Dean Kamen has it right, with his FIRST initiative: http://www.usfirst.org/. You have to change the culture and make it an aspiration for them to succeed as engineers, scientists, and technologists, and not to just want to be famous or rich.
I've been a volunteer judge at the middle school competitions in Washington state for the FIRST LEGO League. To watch these kids get excited about designing robots, writing programs, and researching solutions to the worlds' problems is really, really inspiring.
And to hear many young girls say that want to be engineers when they grow up because of FLL is very cool, indeed!
Recommend Recommended by 9 Readers 7 . Sam
NYC
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amWhat a nerd.
Recommend Recommended by 3 Readers 8 . R.U. Kidding
Bennington College
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amWhile we're at it, let's ban "professor of psychology," too. So uncool.
Recommend Recommended by 2 Readers 9 . John
St. Louis
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amI think a lot of people wish they were geeks. In my 20's, the people with the most interesting jobs described themselves as geeks.
Recommend Recommended by 5 Readers 10 . SageAnt
NYC
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amGeek and proud!
Recommend Recommended by 8 Readers 11 . A.J. Chavar
Syracuse, NY
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amI think Dr. Anderegg is missing a very large fact, and that is that banning racial epithets has never worked, why would he assume it would work with less harmful words "geek" and "nerd."
Whats important to know is that most students being called a geek or a nerd nowadays are embracing it, the geek and nerd subcultures thrive with well-adjusted individuals who pride themselves on the skills that earned them the once derogatory title.
Sure, there are still people who use these terms in a hurtful or degrading manner, and that will never go away; but in my experience most people--even my classmates in high school (I am a college senior now)--have learned to brush this off.
Many people who fit into the geek or nerd category even enjoy the title, or appreciate how it denotes a special intelligence, in a way it is akin to the way some black people embrace the "n-word" and "make it their own," of course, in that same vein, their are geeks and nerds who don't appreciate the title and never will.
In the humble opinion of this geek/nerd, these words need a social makeover, i.e. the idea of the "cool nerd." There are some people out there who already want to be nerds, and with the right steps more people will want to follow them into a geeky career or a nerdy profession.
Recommend Recommended by 7 Readers 12 . Stanley
Boston, MA
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amDespite his research and best efforts to the contrary, I submit that a psychology professor from a tiny liberal arts college is likely only to succeed in creating an outsider's view of geek culture. Much as I will never fully understand growing up black, he will never fully understand growing up a geek.. The "geek" and "nerd" labels are worn with pride as often as they are used in disgust. Spilling ink describing why no further ink should be spilled on these words is, dare I say, a very un-geeky response.
Recommend Recommended by 4 Readers 13 . Moeskido
New Jersey
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 am"Expert"? The professor interviewed for this silly article should get out of the house more often, or at least have lunch with a linguist once a week. His characterization of "nerd" and "geek" as pejorative says more about his own resemblance to certain sheltered academic stereotypes than it does about anyone else's.
If he's correct about what "most of America" thinks, then a nerd is anyone who's demonstrably smarter than you, and works hard to keep it that way. Given that, whatever most of America thinks of people like me is unimportant.
Recommend Recommended by 4 Readers 14 . Michael O
Ann Arbor, MI
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amGive me a break. Geek and proud of it!
Recommend Recommended by 6 Readers 15 . JDL
Ridgewood, NJ
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amFrom what year is this study? We "Geeks" and "Nerds" have been proud to be called so for quite a long time now.
- A proud computer geek.
Recommend Recommended by 6 Readers 16 . up
New York City
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amNerds are nerds and geeks are geeks and never the plastic pocket protectors shall meet!
Recommend Recommended by 2 Readers 17 . Rowan
Boston, MA
December 22nd, 2009
1:49 amThis is an absolutely ludicrous assertion. There are far more than a 'handful' of communities where nerd and geek carry positive connotations. I've spent time in every state in this country and I've only rarely encountered instances where geek and nerd were applied in derogatory terms.
The thing is, almost every young person is a geek these days. Whether its with photo or video editing, programming, gadgets, or even social networking being a geek is closer to the norm than its ever been. To say that these words should be dropped from our lexicon is just perpetuating the negative associations this gentleman is worried about.
Perhaps he should get out of his backwoods school and experience youth elsewhere in this nation.
Recommend Recommended by 9 Readers 18 . Al A.
Buffalo, NY
December 22nd, 2009
1:49 amAs a Computer Scientist who's also proud to be a computer geek, I think professor David Anderegg needs to get a life and stick to subjects he's really an expert at. I earned the nickname "hack" and am proud to be called a computer geek. I have never known it to be a term of derision or used to describe me in an unflattering way.
In most social circles, you must "earn" the right to be called a certain type of moniker (i.e. Jock, Jarhead, Gearhead, etc). Those are terms that aptly describe the person in one word without explanation nor apology. Trying to apply PC sociological pressure to these well established terms is IMHO stupid and show a serious lack of understanding of the sociology involved.
Get a life David Anderegg...
Recommend Recommended by 6 Readers 19 . Liska
Massachusetts
December 22nd, 2009
2:58 amI call myself a geek -not a nerd (don't like the word)- but a geek, and i'm proud of the label. It means i'm not your typical every day go out and party type girl. I love computers, photography, reading (im a bookworm) and not much TV at all.
I'm a geek -- and i'm proud to be one, too. There's no way in hell that either geek OR nerd is a negative stereotype in all it's useages --- anyone can turn any word into an insult if it's said right.
Recommend Recommended by 2 Readers 20 . gilmoure
Sandia Mountains
December 22nd, 2009
2:58 amHeh. And all this time I've been calling myself a geek. And I don't mind that others do as well. My geek-girl wife doesn't mind either. Life is what you make of it and sure, back in high school, when computers were first showing up (trash 80's), being called geek, nerd, or bookworm was done as a put down, it didn't really matter. The troglodytes were all prepping for their jobs as insurance and real estate salesmen and I was having fun breaking computers and getting them running again.
That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet.
Recommend Recommended by 2 Readers 21 . Brian H
Denver, CO
December 22nd, 2009
2:58 amBanning a word or phrase only lends it more power. Instead, the target group must embrace the derogatory comment and make it their own; change the meaning by changing how you react to it. And I think this is already happening on a broad basis. My friends and I collectively describe ourselves as tech-geeks, or "geeking-out" over something. This "geek" and "nerd" paranoia is a vestige of the 80's and early 90's generation - the era of the "Nerds" movies, and people preferring to be dumb and cool rather than smart. Gen-Y has realized that smart and cool aren't mutually exclusive, helped by seeing those dumb/cool kids languishing in menial labor jobs while the "nerds" made history (and millions) during the dotcom boom. In this age and generation, to be isolated from technology or willfully ignorant actually makes you more of an outcast. I think a greater focus should be made on linking a student's ability to navigate the ever-present technology in their lives with their ability to think critically and analytically. Make math the means to the end, not the end in itself.
Recommend Recommended by 3 Readers 22 . A.
Austin, TX
December 22nd, 2009
2:58 amI have no special expertise, but as a nerd, I would hope we could focus on the truly hurtful and crass usage of words like "retard."
Recommend Recommended by 2 Readers 23 . Kenny Wyland
Los Angeles, CA
December 22nd, 2009
2:58 amActually using the term "cool nerd" is the insulting terminology because it implies that being a nerd isn't cool. I, and my other nerd and geek friends, have been working a long time to undo the very stereotype and show people that geeks are cool. If these people would just stop using geek or nerd as a negative then the problem goes away. We don't have to change how we refer to ourselves to suit THEM. How would you like it people were offering the "less offensive" term of "hard-working black person?" You wouldn't, would you? Because it implies that black people aren't hard workers. Stop applying the negative connotation to the original term and THAT will solve the problem. Backwards people all over the world consider women to be inferior to men. Should we convince them to start using the phrase "useful woman?"
Recommend Recommended by 3 Readers 24 . Gealach
NYC
December 22nd, 2009
3:50 amDr. Anderegg is overreacting. Try banning anything around kids and you'll quickly realize that you get the opposite reaction: they just want to use it more. Besides, it's pretty obvious that nerd and geek are becoming cool terms if you just take a look around on the internet. From http://www.geekthelibrary.org/ to http://www.thinkgeek.com/, it's cool to be a geek. Maybe Dr. Anderegg will see improvement in his local geeks' outlook if he encourages them to embrace the term instead of trying to ban it from the bullies.
Recommend Recommended by 1 Readers 25 . Larry Miller
Springfield, MO
December 22nd, 2009
3:50 amThe people you pick on in high school and wind up working for as an adult
The geeky kid now owns a million dollar software company.
Via Urban Dictionary =)
Recommend Recommended by 2 Readers
By STEVE LOHR in the pages of the New York Times snailpaper .....STEVE: maybe next time you can interview Dan Bloom in Taiwan about why he thinks we need a new word for reading on screens versus "reading" on paper surfaces and why he thinks that word might be SCREENING?
The New York Times ran an article Monday suggesting that what America will need in the future are more “cool nerds.” A playful tweak of the nerd stereotype, to be sure, in an effort to alter it. The people described in the piece were ones with hybrid careers, combining computing with other fields from medicine to Hollywood.
These are jobs that do not match the classic computer geek or nerd image — a heads-down programmer who is socially isolated. In the new hybrid careers, computing is a crucial ingredient and, economists say, such work will be the source of many new jobs of the future.
But David Anderegg, a professor of psychology at Bennington College, says that merely mentioning terms like nerd or geek serves to perpetuate the stereotype. The words are damaging, much like racial epithets, he says, and should be avoided.
Yet the meaning of words often evolves as the social context changes. I noted that in Manhattan’s elite high schools being called a “cool nerd” is a compliment — denoting someone with intellectual and academic chops, un-self-consciously so, and other interests as well.
Perhaps that’s true in a handful of ZIP codes around the country, Dr. Anderegg conceded. But in most of America, he said, nerds and geeks are people to avoid. The connotations are a bit different: a geek suggests a person with special expertise, while nerd suggests social ineptness. And neither are cool.
And math, science and computer science, Dr. Anderegg said, are courses that young people too often associate with nerds and geeks. As a result, he added, “they sabotage themselves in these fields, and the nation’s work force is suffering.”
“The best way to combat this,” he said, “is put it to bed,” banishing “nerd” and “geek” to the linguistic dustbin.
Not easily done, though, as Dr. Anderegg doubtless appreciates. He is an expert on the subject, and the reason I called him for the piece was that I had noticed the praise for his book, “Nerds: Who They Are and Why We Need More of Them.”
14,473 Readers' Comments !
1 .
I've thought this for a long time. I don't know if I'd go so far as to compare them to racial epithets, but I'm convinced that the "nerd" and "geek" stereotypes are a factor in repelling women, and possibly other under represented groups, from studying math and science.
2.
I use the term geek to describe myself. And I am sure I'm not the only one. Part of the reason for this is recognising what I am and taking more pride in it. It's one of the strategies adopted by other communities, taking pejorative terms and converting them into sources of pride.
The reason I prefer this approach is simple: the sort of behaviour that gets someone labelled as a geek is not something to be ashamed of.
Recommend Recommended by 12 Readers 3 . penfield
California
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amMy, the newscycle is slow right now.
I'm disappointed in Bits Blog for caving in to such obvious opportunism and hypocrisy. Another professor trying to make a name for himself in the NYT.
Recommend Recommended by 3 Readers 4 . Swamps
Portland, OR
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amBeing a geek is way cool. Anyone who is way into anything is called a Geek. You can have computer geeks. Physics geeks. Shakespeare geeks. Climate geeks. Whatever... It just shows you have a passion and love for a particular interest. If anything, we need so many more geeks in this world. Go geeks!!
Recommend Recommended by 17 Readers 5 . Robert Benz
Las Vegas
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amDavid Anderegg has it all wrong. What should be avoided altogether are opinions of hypersensitive shrinks who conjure up issues where there are none.
Recommend Recommended by 12 Readers 6 . ahdavidson
Seattle, WA, USA
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amYou can't change kids' culture by legislating away words. You have to make it cool to be a geek, to be smart, to be a tech wizard.
In my opinion, Dean Kamen has it right, with his FIRST initiative: http://www.usfirst.org/. You have to change the culture and make it an aspiration for them to succeed as engineers, scientists, and technologists, and not to just want to be famous or rich.
I've been a volunteer judge at the middle school competitions in Washington state for the FIRST LEGO League. To watch these kids get excited about designing robots, writing programs, and researching solutions to the worlds' problems is really, really inspiring.
And to hear many young girls say that want to be engineers when they grow up because of FLL is very cool, indeed!
Recommend Recommended by 9 Readers 7 . Sam
NYC
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amWhat a nerd.
Recommend Recommended by 3 Readers 8 . R.U. Kidding
Bennington College
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amWhile we're at it, let's ban "professor of psychology," too. So uncool.
Recommend Recommended by 2 Readers 9 . John
St. Louis
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amI think a lot of people wish they were geeks. In my 20's, the people with the most interesting jobs described themselves as geeks.
Recommend Recommended by 5 Readers 10 . SageAnt
NYC
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amGeek and proud!
Recommend Recommended by 8 Readers 11 . A.J. Chavar
Syracuse, NY
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amI think Dr. Anderegg is missing a very large fact, and that is that banning racial epithets has never worked, why would he assume it would work with less harmful words "geek" and "nerd."
Whats important to know is that most students being called a geek or a nerd nowadays are embracing it, the geek and nerd subcultures thrive with well-adjusted individuals who pride themselves on the skills that earned them the once derogatory title.
Sure, there are still people who use these terms in a hurtful or degrading manner, and that will never go away; but in my experience most people--even my classmates in high school (I am a college senior now)--have learned to brush this off.
Many people who fit into the geek or nerd category even enjoy the title, or appreciate how it denotes a special intelligence, in a way it is akin to the way some black people embrace the "n-word" and "make it their own," of course, in that same vein, their are geeks and nerds who don't appreciate the title and never will.
In the humble opinion of this geek/nerd, these words need a social makeover, i.e. the idea of the "cool nerd." There are some people out there who already want to be nerds, and with the right steps more people will want to follow them into a geeky career or a nerdy profession.
Recommend Recommended by 7 Readers 12 . Stanley
Boston, MA
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amDespite his research and best efforts to the contrary, I submit that a psychology professor from a tiny liberal arts college is likely only to succeed in creating an outsider's view of geek culture. Much as I will never fully understand growing up black, he will never fully understand growing up a geek.. The "geek" and "nerd" labels are worn with pride as often as they are used in disgust. Spilling ink describing why no further ink should be spilled on these words is, dare I say, a very un-geeky response.
Recommend Recommended by 4 Readers 13 . Moeskido
New Jersey
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 am"Expert"? The professor interviewed for this silly article should get out of the house more often, or at least have lunch with a linguist once a week. His characterization of "nerd" and "geek" as pejorative says more about his own resemblance to certain sheltered academic stereotypes than it does about anyone else's.
If he's correct about what "most of America" thinks, then a nerd is anyone who's demonstrably smarter than you, and works hard to keep it that way. Given that, whatever most of America thinks of people like me is unimportant.
Recommend Recommended by 4 Readers 14 . Michael O
Ann Arbor, MI
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amGive me a break. Geek and proud of it!
Recommend Recommended by 6 Readers 15 . JDL
Ridgewood, NJ
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amFrom what year is this study? We "Geeks" and "Nerds" have been proud to be called so for quite a long time now.
- A proud computer geek.
Recommend Recommended by 6 Readers 16 . up
New York City
December 22nd, 2009
1:41 amNerds are nerds and geeks are geeks and never the plastic pocket protectors shall meet!
Recommend Recommended by 2 Readers 17 . Rowan
Boston, MA
December 22nd, 2009
1:49 amThis is an absolutely ludicrous assertion. There are far more than a 'handful' of communities where nerd and geek carry positive connotations. I've spent time in every state in this country and I've only rarely encountered instances where geek and nerd were applied in derogatory terms.
The thing is, almost every young person is a geek these days. Whether its with photo or video editing, programming, gadgets, or even social networking being a geek is closer to the norm than its ever been. To say that these words should be dropped from our lexicon is just perpetuating the negative associations this gentleman is worried about.
Perhaps he should get out of his backwoods school and experience youth elsewhere in this nation.
Recommend Recommended by 9 Readers 18 . Al A.
Buffalo, NY
December 22nd, 2009
1:49 amAs a Computer Scientist who's also proud to be a computer geek, I think professor David Anderegg needs to get a life and stick to subjects he's really an expert at. I earned the nickname "hack" and am proud to be called a computer geek. I have never known it to be a term of derision or used to describe me in an unflattering way.
In most social circles, you must "earn" the right to be called a certain type of moniker (i.e. Jock, Jarhead, Gearhead, etc). Those are terms that aptly describe the person in one word without explanation nor apology. Trying to apply PC sociological pressure to these well established terms is IMHO stupid and show a serious lack of understanding of the sociology involved.
Get a life David Anderegg...
Recommend Recommended by 6 Readers 19 . Liska
Massachusetts
December 22nd, 2009
2:58 amI call myself a geek -not a nerd (don't like the word)- but a geek, and i'm proud of the label. It means i'm not your typical every day go out and party type girl. I love computers, photography, reading (im a bookworm) and not much TV at all.
I'm a geek -- and i'm proud to be one, too. There's no way in hell that either geek OR nerd is a negative stereotype in all it's useages --- anyone can turn any word into an insult if it's said right.
Recommend Recommended by 2 Readers 20 . gilmoure
Sandia Mountains
December 22nd, 2009
2:58 amHeh. And all this time I've been calling myself a geek. And I don't mind that others do as well. My geek-girl wife doesn't mind either. Life is what you make of it and sure, back in high school, when computers were first showing up (trash 80's), being called geek, nerd, or bookworm was done as a put down, it didn't really matter. The troglodytes were all prepping for their jobs as insurance and real estate salesmen and I was having fun breaking computers and getting them running again.
That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet.
Recommend Recommended by 2 Readers 21 . Brian H
Denver, CO
December 22nd, 2009
2:58 amBanning a word or phrase only lends it more power. Instead, the target group must embrace the derogatory comment and make it their own; change the meaning by changing how you react to it. And I think this is already happening on a broad basis. My friends and I collectively describe ourselves as tech-geeks, or "geeking-out" over something. This "geek" and "nerd" paranoia is a vestige of the 80's and early 90's generation - the era of the "Nerds" movies, and people preferring to be dumb and cool rather than smart. Gen-Y has realized that smart and cool aren't mutually exclusive, helped by seeing those dumb/cool kids languishing in menial labor jobs while the "nerds" made history (and millions) during the dotcom boom. In this age and generation, to be isolated from technology or willfully ignorant actually makes you more of an outcast. I think a greater focus should be made on linking a student's ability to navigate the ever-present technology in their lives with their ability to think critically and analytically. Make math the means to the end, not the end in itself.
Recommend Recommended by 3 Readers 22 . A.
Austin, TX
December 22nd, 2009
2:58 amI have no special expertise, but as a nerd, I would hope we could focus on the truly hurtful and crass usage of words like "retard."
Recommend Recommended by 2 Readers 23 . Kenny Wyland
Los Angeles, CA
December 22nd, 2009
2:58 amActually using the term "cool nerd" is the insulting terminology because it implies that being a nerd isn't cool. I, and my other nerd and geek friends, have been working a long time to undo the very stereotype and show people that geeks are cool. If these people would just stop using geek or nerd as a negative then the problem goes away. We don't have to change how we refer to ourselves to suit THEM. How would you like it people were offering the "less offensive" term of "hard-working black person?" You wouldn't, would you? Because it implies that black people aren't hard workers. Stop applying the negative connotation to the original term and THAT will solve the problem. Backwards people all over the world consider women to be inferior to men. Should we convince them to start using the phrase "useful woman?"
Recommend Recommended by 3 Readers 24 . Gealach
NYC
December 22nd, 2009
3:50 amDr. Anderegg is overreacting. Try banning anything around kids and you'll quickly realize that you get the opposite reaction: they just want to use it more. Besides, it's pretty obvious that nerd and geek are becoming cool terms if you just take a look around on the internet. From http://www.geekthelibrary.org/ to http://www.thinkgeek.com/, it's cool to be a geek. Maybe Dr. Anderegg will see improvement in his local geeks' outlook if he encourages them to embrace the term instead of trying to ban it from the bullies.
Recommend Recommended by 1 Readers 25 . Larry Miller
Springfield, MO
December 22nd, 2009
3:50 amThe people you pick on in high school and wind up working for as an adult
The geeky kid now owns a million dollar software company.
Via Urban Dictionary =)
Recommend Recommended by 2 Readers
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